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Alan,<br>
<br>
thank you, this all makes perfect sense. The only outstanding
problem is that it it unlikely that with this setup computers in LAN
A will be able to receive broadcasts from computers in LAN B and
vice-versa.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andrew.<br>
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On 7/10/2010 11:52 a.m., Alan S. Lawee wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In order for you to configure
this, you have to set up explicit routes, and the
computers in each location that are hosting the tinc
application must be able to route packets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">A little more explanation is in
order. As you are referring to the nodes as PC’s, I am
assuming that you are using the MsWindows operating
system. Some versions (e.g. Windows 2000) are able to
function as routers out of the box, others cannot function
as routers, and yet others require some advanced
configuration. (Linux or other x-based systems can all
function as routers).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Computers on LAN A are
configured to use the broadband router as a default
gateway in order to access the Internet. However, in
order to accomplish the configuration you are looking for,
you will have to set up a manual route on each of the
computers on LAN A which will instruct them to go to the
computer running tinc in order to reach the nodes on LAN
B. The reverse will be true for the computers on LAN B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Your IDEA1 will not work because
the subnet masks do not define distinct networks. IDEA2
has the same problem because the tinc subnet is not
distinct from the other 2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So, to follow your example
IDEA2, we have in household A, LAN A: 10.30.1.x and 3
PC’s: PC-A.11, PC-A.12 & PC-A.13, plus a router:
R-A.1; in household B, LAN B: 10.30.2.x, we have a
similar configuration, PC-B.11, PC-B.12, PC-B.13 and
R-B.1; the tinc application is hosted on each of PC-A.11
and PC-B.11 and will use the subnet 10.30.3.x.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As an example, the IP
configurations are as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">PC-A.11:
Default Gateway 10.30.1.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
IP Address 10.30.1.11/255.255.255.0 on physical network
interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
IP Address 10.30.3.1/255.255.255.0 on virtual tinc
interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Manual entry in routing table to 10.30.2.0/255.255.255.0
via 10.30.3.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">PC-A.12, PC-A.13:
Default Gateway 10.30.1.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
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IP Address 10.30.1.12/255.255.255.0 and
10.30.1.13/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Manual entry in routing table to 10.30.2.0/255.255.255.0
via 10.30.1.11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">PC-B.11:
Default Gateway 10.30.2.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
IP Address 10.30.2.11/255.255.255.0 on physical network
interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
IP Address 10.30.3.2/255.255.255.0 on virtual tinc
interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Manual entry in routing table to 10.30.1.0/255.255.255.0
via 10.30.3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">PC-B.12, PC-B.13:
Default Gateway 10.30.2.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
IP Address 10.30.2.12/255.255.255.0 and
10.30.2.13/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Manual entry in routing table to 10.30.1.0/255.255.255.0
via 10.30.2.11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Now every PC knows where to send
packets destined for both the Internet and the other
household. The PC’s hosting tinc are acting as the
virtual routers between the two sites. Note once again
that various versions of Windows have this routing
function disabled.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hope this helps you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:
windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:
windowtext;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org">tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org">mailto:tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Savinykh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 06, 2010 18:17<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tinc@tinc-vpn.org">tinc@tinc-vpn.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Windows subnets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Donald,<br>
<br>
thank you, while I still have some questions, your answer is
definitely a step in the right direction.<br>
In the other reply I was asked what I'm trying to achieve.
Let's consider the following scenario (which is quite
similar to the one that described in the tinc manual).<br>
<br>
Let's assume we have two households, each has 3-5 computers
in it. Both house holds have similar network configuration:<br>
They are connected to internet with an ADSL line and a
router.<br>
The computers in the local network access internet via the
router.<br>
The router is configured so that one of the computers have
port 665 forwarded to be accessible outside.<br>
The external IP is changed rarely and there is dynamic DNS
service (external) in use to accommodate for the change of
IP when it happens.<br>
<br>
One household has local network addresses of 192.168.1.* and
the other has 10.1.1.*<br>
I'm installing tinc on one computer in each household. <br>
<br>
The goal is to let all computers in both house holds to see
each other by ip address. Also it is desired that for
computer games purposes<br>
all computers appear to be on the same LAN (for broadcasts).
But this is not mandatory. (it appears that it's not
possible without installing tinc on every PC <br>
as every tinc daemon serves a subnet and two tinc daemons
can't serve a part of subnet each)<br>
<br>
All computers run different flavours of Windows, most being
Windows 7.<br>
<br>
I have two ideas how to set this up, although I'm not sure
if any of these two works:<br>
<br>
IDEA1.<br>
=====<br>
Household A<br>
Gateway IP: 10.30.0.1<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.0.2,3,4 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Deafult Gateway: 10.30.0.1<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.0.0/25<br>
<br>
Household B<br>
Gateway IP: 10.30.0.129<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.0.130,131,132 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Default Gateway: 10.30.0.129<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.0.128/25<br>
<br>
<br>
IDEA2.<br>
=====<br>
Household A<br>
Gatway IP: 10.30.0.1<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.0.2-255 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Default Gateway: 10.30.0.1<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.0.0/24<br>
<br>
Household B<br>
Gateway IP: 10.30.1.1<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.1.2-255 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Default Gateway: 10.30.0.129<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.1.0/24<br>
<br>
<br>
So IDEA 1 probably won't work at all. Will it? And with IDEA
2 the pc's won't appear on the same LAN and their broadcasts
won't reach each other.<br>
As far as I understand I need to install TAP interface on
each of the participating windows PCs, correct?<br>
What is specified in default gateway of the gateways?<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you in advance,<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
On 7/10/2010 4:36 a.m., Donald Pearson wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The PCs that you want to participate need
to have a route for the VPN subnet pointing to their local
VPN gateway, which would be the local device with Tinc
installed on it. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Theoretical configuration example.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">VPN subnet is <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://10.10.10.0/24">10.10.10.0/24</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At a location, one computer <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://192.168.1.254/24">192.168.1.254/24</a>
connects to the VPN and serves as the VPN gateway. This
gateway needs to be configured for TCP/IP forwarding.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315236">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315236</a> -
windows<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/">http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/</a> -
linux<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Other computers local to the gateway
need a route to the VPN network added so they know how to
get there.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In windows. route -p add 10.10.10.0
mask 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.254<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This will add the persistent route that
remains after reboot.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Does that answer your question?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM,
Andrew Savinykh <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrews@brutsoft.com">andrews@brutsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your reply. As far as
I can see there is no point specifying subnet that
consists of more than one PC in tinc config if you are
going to install tinc on every PC in the subnet
anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.<br>
Now, assuming I'm right, there will be PCs in the
subnet that don't have tinc installed on them. How to
configure these PCs so they are a part of the subnet
and participate in routing?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andrew <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
On 6/10/2010 10:13 p.m., Cédric Lemarchand wrote:
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
I am not sure to understand what you mean with
"joining" a subnet.<br>
<br>
But if your "local computer" need to reach the
"remote subnet" served by tinc, you can set the
local IP of the local tinc server as the default
gateway, or add a route to the remote subnet via
the local tinc IP. Of course, computer located
on the remote subnet need the same thing.<br>
<br>
Cédric<br>
<br>
Le 06/10/10 09:37, Andrew Savinykh a écrit : <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Hello all, <br>
<br>
I understand that each tinc daemon corresponds
to one or more subnets that it "owns" a subnet
can be a single ip or more. <br>
Could you please tell me what do I need to do to
join a computer in local network (windows) to a
subnet served by tinc? <br>
<br>
Thank you in advance, <br>
Andrew <br>
<br>
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href="http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc"
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